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Participant:<\/strong> Those who live in Siberia, for instance -where not many plants can be cultivated-: How should they feed themselves?<\/p>

Ruyman<\/strong>: They have to eat meat. Anyway, if I lived there, I would try to eat more fish. As we\u2019ve already said: in the diet, it\u2019s important to minimize the damage that we can make to the body. If the dilemma is between eating fish or bird, it would be interesting to ask ourselves the following question: what is simpler for us? Is it better to kill a bird\u2026 or a fish? When we take Natem: Do we become a fish or a bird? Maybe we\u2019ve not had visions yet, but fish is usually a lot further from our consciousness. I prefer not to kill fish: I got used to feeding myself with plants and seeds. I learned to keep the Arutam, with all its sacred touch, and I\u2019ve also learned not to waste it.<\/p>

It\u2019s important to remember: eating no meat at all requires a lot of experience, strength and energy. Much of our sacred touch. Sometimes it\u2019s better to continue eating meat. In my judgment a vegan cannot live as such if he doesn\u2019t learn to be very careful with his sex life. Because he really needs that energy. We must use our energy to keep the sacred touch. We cannot be constantly losing it. That would require for us to be constantly killing animals to provide ourselves with its flesh.<\/p>

The majority of those who currently consider themselves vegetarians are just following a fashion. Many of them may have, for that reason, health problems. Or maybe they are weaker than those who eat meat.<\/p>

Participant:<\/strong> Can practices and Taoist exercises be useful for managing sexual energy?<\/p>

Ruym\u00e1n<\/strong>: I wouldn\u2019t say that. If we want to have a good management of our sexual energy, I would say that the key is always a full love. When there is love in us, we don\u2019t need any doctrine -Taoist, etc.- to explain how to take care of ourselves. Love itself knows very well how to take care of us. Our feelings, in that case, go well beyond the physiological act we associate with ejaculation.<\/p>

We should never judge. We should never prefer one thing to the other. We should never choose. In Shamanism, we have to pay attention to anything that could happen. Because in the experience of Shamanism, nothing is free; nothing that we see in the ceremonies can happen by mistake. Anyone who cannot find that way, should not practice Shamanism. Because there is a risk: to transform Shamanism into a training to be more resistant to those visions, to strengthen our own justifications, our self, our identity. All those dark spirits. Some people practice Shamanism and follow a spiritual path to justify themselves even more, to poison themselves more deeply. As my elders used to say, that is a form of witchcraft, a form of enchantment \u2013 a form of immersion in a dark enchantment \u2013 in which we could boycott our own life and our own mind. And something even worse: we could to contaminate others. Because that strengthens our own ego: something dark and resistant that is nested in us. Something that carries the fake label of \u201cspiritual.\u201d That is why it seems healthier for me to teach beginners: those who are not yet \u201cspiritual.\u201d<\/p>

Participant:<\/strong> During my sessions, during the night, I had visions and denied them. Logic would not allow me to accept them.<\/p>

Ruym\u00e1n<\/strong>: Very bad. We must not judge, we must not choose, we must stand firm and learn from that which springs within us, from that which is enlightened, from that things we become aware of at the moment of vision, during the sacred ceremony.<\/p>

One of our main problems, when we begin our spiritual journey, is that we don\u2019t even know what we are looking for. We don\u2019t know what is happening to us. We don\u2019t know where to look for. Which are our tendencies? Which are our problems? The ceremony gives us a chance to look deeply within us, and therefore we are very fortunate. If there was something we didn\u2019t want to see, something we resisted, something we wanted to cover up, to hide or to justify, it was surely something we really needed. It was something we had to work on. It\u2019s always worthwhile to acknowledge these kind of visions. Everything we see and ignore, and then forget, is something that, over time, we forger. And our opportunity to understand it thoroughly is finally lost. That is why we must take advantage of that special moments in which a soft and gentle light is turned on: that moments are Arutam\u2019s gifts.<\/p>

Participant:<\/strong> On the second night, after taking medicine, I had the feeling that there was a lot of fluid in my stomach. I drank too much, then vomited and I couldn\u2019t\u2019 keep medicine in my body.<\/p>

Ruym\u00e1n:<\/strong> If we\u2019re too sensitive before the ceremony, we may have more liquid segregation than necessary. The body reacts as if it we had an excess of it. Do not worry, it\u2019s OK: after vomiting, wait half an hour. Then take a small drink, which your body will easily assimilate. It will allow you to reach a deeper trance.<\/p>

It\u2019s preferable \u2013 although it\u2019s not the most advisable \u2013 it is better to expel all excess fluid from our body from the beginning. In this way, medicine, once ingested, is no longer lost, and thus its properties can be fully incorporated.<\/p>

In one of my personal experiences, during a last day of ceremony, I expelled my first glass of medicine. This occurred a long time after drinking it, because it had exceeded the proper dose. I waited half an hour. When I noticed that I lacked vibration in my singing, during the ceremony, I drank another dose. Since I no longer had any liquid in my body and there was no more weight in my stomach, I was able to retain my drink. Two or three hours later I realized that the previous times, I had expelled the Natem because its effect was too strong. This time I could not expel it, and I could no longer continue to lead my group. I remained at rest, in a state of complete immobility. Everyone began to wonder: Where is the teacher? I had to find a way to react, so I could finish the ceremony and support my group. So I went out for some air, and then I had to take more than a quart of water to add some substance to my stomach. I just vomited about 20 minutes later.<\/p>

Participant:<\/strong> What do we do when we have drunk more than we want, and we begin to feel, alternately, cold, heat, nerves and fear?<\/p>

Ruym\u00e1n:<\/strong> The most important thing, in these cases, is to seek solitude, to be close to nature, close to the Great Spirit. Anyone who has drunk too much Ayahuasca, can usually expel it from the body without major inconveniences. But if we can\u2019t do it, it\u2019s because there is some inner resistance in ourselves. Some very strong inner darkness, which we must face immediately. In these cases I recommend a purge with water and tobacco. Once this operation is completed, or in case of need \u2013 if a really serious situation occurs \u2013 the Shaman can blow, suck or fan. This usually only happens in extreme cases, as we must usually overcome that state by ourselves.<\/p>

There\u2019s a particular case. It happens when someone willingly surrenders to a capricious game, while playing with their own shadow. In that case, the Shaman should not come to his or her aid: the Shaman simply lets him play, just to see if he learns, if he likes it, and for how long he wants to continue playing with it. Whoever can have visions, whoever can decide wisely and learn from himself -without anybody\u2019s help-, is well on its way through Life.<\/p>

Participant:<\/strong> is it advisable, in these cases, to remain alone, in nature?.<\/p>

Ruym\u00e1n:<\/strong> The first thing is to stay alone. Then you lament before the Great Spirit. And you wait for your body to react alone and purge itself. Let it recover itself, with its own strength and its own repentance. Whoever gets that, will have my respect, and will always get my support. If you need a little help, because you are in a state of greater weakness or incapacity, you must intensify the sacred touch with Tobacco, in the crystal of Life, in the water, in the skies. After vomiting like this, affected people should be fine after fifteen or twenty minutes. If they still need help, the shaman blows them, fans them or sucks them, depending on each case\u2019s requirement, or the healing requirement of each patient. If some people want to continue playing capriciously with their shadows, in a state of solitude, we must leave them, so that they learn through time, through pain, although they must be supervised from afar, to prevent them doing some nonsense. If, after such experiences, they don\u2019t want to learn, maybe they won\u2019t come back. But they\u2019ll know what they are staying with. They\u2019ll know what they\u2019re living with. At least, even if they don\u2019t return, they will know.<\/p>

Participant:<\/strong> What dies inside a person who feels he is dying? What dies inside?<\/p>

Ruym\u00e1n:<\/strong> Each case is different. We can cite several experiences of death during those visions. There is a vision of death that manifests itself through weariness and weakness. That happens when we\u2019re so tired and we\u2019ve suffered so much, and this experience is so strong that we want to die. We want to give up. We want to reach a state of peace that we can no longer find in our own lives.<\/p>

There is another issue: it\u2019s about the shadow and its blackmail. When we\u2019ve managed to corner that shadow, but it\u2019s very well anchored in our interior, with its spider legs, through the manipulation of identity, of the self, it will make us believe that it is Life, that it is Arutam. I\u2019m dying! Death! He who feels it within himself often believes: \u201cI\u2019m the one who dies; it\u2019s my Spirit that is dying\u201d. That is a blackmail. That is manipulation: every day we do that to ourselves.<\/p>

There are several examples of death, during the visions. Sometimes we feel that a part of us is dying. But a part of us begins to say \u201cenough: I\u2019ve felt this sensation so much, I\u2019ve lived the ceremonies so much, that I am sure that it\u2019s not true\u201d. And we let it die, with all the fear of falling, in that state of deep relaxation. And once we are in that deep blackness, we fall into the coldest and deepest depths, to return to the brightness of light. Because, ultimately, everything in this world is a Great Perfection. Everything, absolutely everything, finally comes back, and it turns to us and is transformed. And even the deepest fear, once frozen, then gives way to light. How could we avoid, during that process, that we die? How not to feel that sensation, those of us who have had the will to discover such intensity?<\/p>

That\u2019s why we have to do it: we have to die. That\u2019s the way to experiment the wealth of being part of everything. I\u2019ve given you just three examples of death.<\/p>

Participant:<\/strong> I was able to \u201csee\u201d that the intense pain I felt during the ceremonies -I didn\u2019t know where it came from- was the mourning for all those beings who hadn\u2019t been born, after numerous abortions in my family. How to deal with this situation? I feel I need to share this experience: is it advisable to do so?<\/p>

Ruym\u00e1n:<\/strong> The important thing, in these cases, is to take advantage of the pain, or more precisely the experience of that concrete pain, to guide one\u2019s life. In principle, not to make those mistakes, and to be able to advise with wisdom to all those who go through these kinds of situations. Those who have \u201cseen\u201d are the most appropriate to share those experiences.<\/p>

Participant:<\/strong> Before attending the ceremony I was afraid to take Natem. Now I\u2019am afraid of facing everyday life. I\u2019m afraid to get hurt.<\/p>

Ruym\u00e1n:<\/strong> You have done a good job. It\u2019s a perfect blend of strength, character, concentration and heart. Sensitivity. You have full receptivity to medicine. The truth is that, by taking such a pure Natem, you have grown rather than cringe. You\u2019ve grown to the point of saying: I don\u2019t want to go back. I don\u2019t want to make the same mistakes. I don\u2019t want to get caught up in confusion throughout my entire life, like most people do.<\/p>

The wealth that lives within you, the feeling of perfect bliss in which we were born: it remains forever and cannot be changed by the evil that the dark spirits could have made us. But now you have a very specific reference point. A state you hadn\u2019t perceived so intimately before. You\u2019ve come closer to Arutam. Based on feeling, as every human being should feel, you can take better decisions. Anything that could help you to free yourself, in the depths that you\u2019ve achieved tonight, is beneficial. Otherwise, it would be reoriented or replaced. Before this experience we had no idea about the depth of our soul. Out of stupidity, or not to oppose other patients, we did what we wanted, forgetting the high cost that we should pay for it. Now we know: it would be a sin to go back. Therefore, we can say that now we\u2019re starting to live for real. We have a record of every feeling we\u2019ve reached during the ceremony. We remember feelings, a path with feelings, a path with heart. Our heart\u2019s presence is like a great lake held on stones. It\u2019s a piece of heaven on earth, felt in full loneliness. Where life is born, where fish are born and animals come to drink. Vital instincts arise in our heartbeat, during the course of our journey. That feeling, well fed with Tobacco, will strengthen and clarify the light of feeling. In that way, we can no longer betray ourselves. If we make mistakes, we will feel them as well. And so, through an exercise of balance, we\u2019ll find the light. Peace.<\/p>

Participant:<\/strong> can we predict the future under the influence of Ayahuasca?<\/p>

Ruym\u00e1n:<\/strong> This outcome is produced chiefly through the use of Tobacco and Floripondio. Drink Tobacco in the Waterfall. You can also use the ritual of Floripondio. We have to understand that we\u2019re a perfect pressure of Arutam\u2019s feeling, who pulsates like the stars, within our hearts, inside our arteries. We\u2019re a great trend. A great song.<\/p>

There are trends that show us, an approximate trajectory. For instance: when we throw a ball, or an arrow, we have a sense of the time and the place of the fall. We\u2019ll see the future through those arrows that have already been thrown. But if these have not yet been launched, we cannot see the future in any way. We may have a strong desire to see it, but that form will never appear before our eyes. Only the arrows that are already in motion will be presented, in our vision, and through their whistle, we\u2019ll be able to understand (to see) the distant consequences that those arrows, somehow, refer us.<\/p>

Natem is less powerful in that sense, because it produces a much smaller anesthetic and relaxation effect. If we pay attention to its effects, Natem is more instinctive, more agile, faster and more animal. It\u2019s more connected to the present, more directed to the goal of producing the union with Arutam. But Natem also allows us to see those arrows. However, both Tobacco and Floripondio \u2013 because of their relaxing and numbing effects \u2013 offer us a more convenient distance and a more adequate slowness to observe the path taken by these trends. With the use of Natem we arrive to a state of understanding, of a realization. It\u2019s something that we feel, both in the body and mind. It\u2019s something that perhaps can torture us a little, and force us to think about the reality of that foreseen future, so that we can make something about it. With Tobacco, however, we are in a state of such numbness that the messages arrive to us in a completely crystalline way, as if they were an enchanted world, as if they were an advice of Arutam. The visions that can be observed appear before our eyes with enough fidelity if we compare them to the later events. But Floripondio presents us some whistles or tendencies that are almost exactly the same as later events: the same people, the same situation.<\/p>

The use of the Floripondio for this purpose can be a truly traumatizing experience. It is not recommended, in general, except for those who have an intense training in its use. People are not prepared, in general, to see the consequences of their tendencies. At least not in such an immediate way.<\/p>

Following these practices, people can learn very quickly to see through their dreams, as well as to hear the whistle of the tendencies in their daily life, by being surrendered to their own instincts. Wisdom is a perfect balance between experience and instinct. It\u2019s a long affair.<\/p>

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